Thanks for sharing your feelings.
I guess I don’t fully agree with what you’re trying to do. But I do agree that parents can and should visit regularly with their children about worthiness at home, as you’re doing.
I recommend you consider making the focus of your “mini-crusade” is to help priesthood leaders know you expect them to ALWAYS notify you when they want to schedule an interview and NEVER to just pull your son or daughter into an interview without notice.
In my opinion, the ideal is for the priesthood leader to have one or both parents in the interview with the youth and, if appropriate, to discuss how the gospel is being taught in the home, what parents are doing to prepare their child for the next ordinance, how much is the child grasping it, if the child is having personal prayer and scripture study, etc.
Then I recommend the parents be excused, unless they’re worried that inappropriate questions will be asked. It would be appropriate for the leader or parents to make it clear to the youth the parents will be right outside the office if they feel uncomfortable they can get up, walk out and share concerns with the parents.
But, as you know, a private interview is the only way some youth are going to divulge confidential info they don’t want the parents to know. The leader, of course, will eventually help teach the youth about repentance, including being honest and forthright with the parents. But if youth are deceiving their parents at home, they’re certainly not going to be forthright in a church interview with the parents present. So, in a way, we’re encouraging the youth to continue to lie or deceive.
Hopefully as parents I would think we would welcome priesthood leaders to discover issues that children may not want to reveal yet to their parents. Priesthood leaders can help teach youth how to approach the parents as part of their repentance. I don’t think we want to eliminate that. I believe the handbook guidance is to give the parents assurance they can sit in on interviews, if they choose, but if they welcome discovery by priesthood leaders to help their children become totally honest and repentant, they’ll want to allow privacy in part of their interviews.
What are your thoughts to this?
That's the part she's most interested in being a part of. We've tried to adopt the church's allowances for parents to be in interviews since the policy was changed. Unfortunately, some times we've not been invited when Cole or London have been "pulled into an interview" and we didn't even know about it.
In our own small way, we hope to be part of changing church culture surrounding worthiness interviews and protecting against misunderstandings. We of course check in with London and make sure he's okay with it/wants one of us there. It has proven very helpful for us as a family since we've started going. What are your thoughts about this?
From Handbook 1, 7.4, “Protecting against Misunderstandings”When a member of a bishopric or stake presidency or another assigned leader meets with a child, youth, or woman, he or she should ask a parent or another adult to be in an adjoining room, foyer, or hall. If the person being interviewed desires, another adult may be invited to be present during the interview. Leaders should avoid all circumstances that could be misunderstood.
For Alisha and I, our #1 priority for our kids is safety. That’s why we were excited when the church acknowledged that if desired, parents could be in interviews with their kids. We feel that it’s protection for both kids and the leaders. I even changed my practice at school when the church came out with the new guidelines—I think I mentioned to you that I uncovered the window on my door so people can always see into my office now. For us, it’s not about feeling uncomfortable with one leader and feeling more trustworthy with another leader, it’s just about establishing a new norm with our kids that one of us will always be there with them. It’s kind of like our “no sleepover” policy—we don’t consider one family versus another—we just don’t let our kids sleep over at any other kids’ houses nor allow sleepovers here. In that same way, we want to be with our kids in interviews.
For sure there are times when youth will not be truthful to parents, but will confide in a priesthood leader. That’s a great thing that they shared it with the Priesthood leader! There are times of course when the youth isn’t truthful to the priesthood leader either, and then the missionaries have returned home early. Parents there or not there didn’t necessarily make a difference in the youth being upfront with leaders. In some ways it may even be “better” that parents are in the interview when they’ve gone through a searching interview themselves with the youth, as they (the parents) are there then to follow up with the youth as he/she shares things with the ecclesiastical leader.
In the “good, better, best” model, I think it is best when the youth shares with his parents her/his struggles and then the youth and parent can/do meet with the ecclesiastical together and make a plan of action. We’ve done this with London and it’s been great. The more support a person has when they’re struggling with something, and the more team players working together on the same plan, the better. Similar to going to a doctor’s appointment, where the treatment plan for an illness is being explained, more ears to hear and understand make for a higher likelihood that the plan will be carried out and followed through, ensuring a better chance at recovery, especially when it’s a youth. (This “good/better/best” would even extend to church callings—having a second set of adult ears to hear what the leader tells Cole his responsibilities will be as a Teacher’s Quorum President would go a long way to help us support him in this role.)
I do feel that if an individual requests another person to be in an interview or if parents make a request to be in an interview with their child, then a leader should allow it for the entire interview. This could be one of those areas where “Home Centered, Church Supported” includes the parents being fully aware of where their child is at (including sin) because of the strong, open relationship , and then being supported by leaders, as the leaders hold the keys for ordinances and so forth.
Thanks. I don’t know if this is a big enough topic to bring Paul in on our conversation, but I’m fine if you want to get his perspective.
I appreciate the ongoing conversation. And I commend you and Alisha for feeling so protective of your children. You are extraordinary parents, as you are certainly aware after your years in the schools and church leadership. I wish there were more parents like you who are so concerned and caring about the spiritual well being of their children.
However, your approach still seems to me a bit extreme. I agree wholeheartedly that parents should be the first to discover transgressions among their children, if possible, and parents are responsible to take or direct their children to the bishop, but I would want my children to understand that the repentance process includes going voluntarily to God's representative (bishop) and confess sins. I would want them to practice that now so they'll apply it later in life—on their own.
I would not want them to experience the feeling that their parents were "hauling" them into the bishop's office to confess sins; just as you would not want the bishop to haul your child into your home and demand in front of you that they confess to you newly discovered sins. It's so much better when the young person is taught how honesty with parents is part of repentance. In my opinion, teaching the principles of repentance and helping our children want to apply those principles independently is one of the greatest gifts we can give them.
I hope we can teach parents and bishops this "new" partnership (creating a plan of action, as you suggest) so that there is more of a "team" approach to helping youth, knowing our ultimate goal is to help them want to live the gospel on their own.
Please know I love the idea of the bishop and parents working together on a plan of action, once a sin or even an addiction, is discovered and the young person wants to change. But my concern is that having the parent even in the worthiness part of a priesthood leader's interview undermines a Church leader's ability to help the parents discover unrepentant sins. If a parent insists, then, of course, the priesthood leader must comply But I hope the spirit of partnership will prevail so parents and priesthood leaders are in sync with the mutual goal of helping the young person learn to live the gospel independently.
Are we going in circles (saying the same thing over and over to each other)?
If you still insist on the parents sitting in on the worthiness portion of the interview, then I assign you (and Alisha to join you, if you choose) to conduct the interview with your son and then make the recommendation to the stake presidency as to London's preparedness and worthiness to receive the Melchizedek Priesthood. (Another perk of your calling :)
Thanks,
Crismon